This folio f57v could contain valuable clues regarding to the script, cause it resembles an alphabet wheel.
Please also notice “Ptolemy’s so-called ‘Handy Tables’ is Vaticanus graecus 1291 AD”. See Zandbergen’s Voynich.nu.
Description of this folio:
“Four labels radiating from centre and four labels near persons. Four bands with circular text. Outside outermost is a ‘start’-marking label. All bands have single characters and single words. Second ring from outside has four times repeating sequence of 17 single chars”
At the center is a simple rosette, with 4 short and 4 long rounded
# lobes, with a circle and a dot in the middle.
# Inside the inner circle there are four naked human figures,
# visible from the chest up, heads towards the center.
# Two are male, two female; two are seen mostly from the front
# two mostly from the back; two have both arms raised, two have
# only one. Here are the combinations:
# North: male, back, two arms straight in “V”.
# West: female, front, one arm straight at 45 degrees.
# South: female, back, two arms straight in “V”.
# East: male, front, one arm forward then bent up, holding a ball.
# There are 8 words inside the inner circle. Four of them radiate
# from the rosette, roughly along the diagonal lines. The other
# four are tangential (but with straight baselines), to be read
# in the clockwise direction; it is not clear whether they
# label the four figures, or the spaces between them.
In the middle of the page we see this:
Probably it is a symbol. That symbol could be the sun. Which also represents: a day. Found and used in runes, hieroglyphs and astrological symbol. Is it also somewhere else in the script ?
Egyptian and hieroglyphs: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ra
since many languages use the same symbol, it can also be found in (ancient) Faliscan / neo-etruscian http://www.ancient-wisdom.co.uk/italyetruscans.htm and hebrew http://www.blessedquietness.com/journal/housechu/embrace-Hebrew-roots-chapter-8.htm
The number 17 or is it 5 ?
|This symbol can be clearly seen at the bottom right of the page :|
|in Arabic it would look like: see also here||
Our current numbering system is called Arabic numerals and although there are not arabic characters as we might know them, this name originates from the time that the Roman numeral system was replaced. read more: search for keyword: numerals wiki
It could also have been a marking which represents the number ij with a stroke on top.
I think it is simply a written digit 5
if it is 17 that is really very coincident that the text in circle two has a repetition of 17 characters as well. But i doubt it is a 17, it really looks more like a normal 5.
Additionally have a look at folio 155v on the MS Harley
Look at the 5 in the margin. Please also notice how the 6 is written 😉
Or want to know more: then look at this page and picture.
The number 17 in Latin is written as XVII. Which is an anagram for vixi which means: i lived.
No wonder that the number 17 in ancient Roma has the meaning of ‘bad luck’.
In Swedisch the number 17 is written as : Sjutton också. In ancient religious times it meant something like ‘Oh darn!, Shoot!’
Irish 17 march
People celebrate St Patrick’s Day is the on 17th March each year, the day St Patrick died (supposedly). In Ireland it’s a public holiday and most businesses close. There are colorful parades in most towns throughout the country and this tradition is copied in cities all over the world where there is a sizeable Irish population.
Traditionally men and women wore a bunch of shamrock in their lapel on St Patrick’s Day. That is less common nowadays among younger people, probably because the shamrock shrivels after a few hours!
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From outside to inside there are 4 rings.
The outer ring is considerd as ring 1.
The second ring has a repetitive set of 17 characters:
The repetition consists of these charactergroups:
As one can notice there are only 3 little ‘mistakes’.
Or if we would take the middle row (EVA F and EVA P) we can also say that if we consider EVA F=P, there is only 1 character out of the sequence.
Are those characters hinting to us?
Unfortunately the left one has 3 strokes and the right one 4 strokes. Otherwise i could try to find an ligature of an masonic decipherment (go back to at least the 18th century). But there is no real reason now.
After I did a first letter analysis I have put this column with letters and symbols beside the column with the letters in the script and the occurences:
|count||%||currier AB||count||f57v||placed||placed||on 57v|
Well, of course the strange symbols are somewhere in the CurrierAB linear transcription text, but my freq. analysis not. There, lines with less than 3 characters have been deleted. And also characters with low ascii-value or extended ascii-value have been removed. Those are the ones in the column ‘letters from 57v not placed’. Those are approximately 252 special symbols together (see * in the column).
Inner circle text
Here is the inner circle text:
I also made an EVA translation of the page f57v, it can be viewed here: f57v_in_EVA
Furthermore, i’ve laid the twirl page f68r on top of this f57v page to see if there is a pattern…there is none.
A strange coiincidence while researching Aratus. Which has many references and similarities with the Voynich manuscipt. The Epimenides story led me to wikipedia with the following text:
Epimenides of Knossos, Crete was a semi-mythical 7th or 6th century BC Greek seer and philosopher-poet. While tending his father’s sheep, he is said to have fallen asleep for fifty-seven years in a Cretan cave sacred to Zeus, after which he reportedly awoke with the gift of prophecy (Diogenes Laërtius i. 109–115).
I could not find any original number 57 on the Voynich manuscript page, but wanted to leave this message anyway.
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